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U.K. Radio Programme "She Bop" on BBC Radio 2
June 22 & 29, 2002

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Tori was one of the artists featured on a U.K. radio programme called "She Bop" which was broadcast on BBC Radio 2 in late June 2002. It was broadcast over two weekends. The first part was broadcast on June 22, 2002 and the second part was heard on June 29, 2002. Below you can find a complete transcript of the part of the show that included Tori, including all of Tori's quotes. You can also find general information about the programme.

For a short time, you should be able to listen to this show in streaming audio over the Internet, since BBC should have it in their archives for a while. To find it, go to the BBC Radio Player page and click the She Bop link!

Here is a description of the second part of "She Bop" (that contained the most Tori content) that Richard Handal sent to me:

Toyah Wilcox presents the second in a two part series about the issues facing women in the music industry. Female artists from a wide spectrum of both musical style and vintage, from Mary Wilson of the Supremes in the early sixties to modern singer-songwriter Tori Amos, offer their opinions and talk about their experiences.

Toriphile Stacy describes the show like this:

toyah begins her story of female singer/songwriters in the 60's and ends with present day artists. the programme contains toyah introducing female artists and what they stood/stand for, and playing that artists music while playing clips of the artists talking about their personal experiences in the music industry. 

Tori's segment during the first part on June 22, 2002 was just a few seconds. The first program focused on female artists from the late fifties up to the seventies. There was a quote from Tori about Joni Mitchell during that programme. Here is what Tori said courtesy of Jess, Danny.Weddup and another anonymous source:

    TOYAH WILCOX: "And Jonis' spirit is embodied even more by Tori Amos, currently one of the worlds top singer-sonwriters.

    TORI: "She took the clay and moulded it in a way we hadn't seen before. If you really sort of analyse songwriting at that time, male or female, what she was doing with her structures an' her use of melody an' her poetry and the voice too, you know that's just one of the gifts that we've had.

The second part of the program that was broadcast on June 29, 2002 covered more modern day female artists, and they featured Tori for about 7 minutes. Danny.Weddup and another anonymous source sent me a full transcript of the Tori part, and you can find that below. The show was once again presented by Toyah Wilcox and also featured Cyndi Lauper, Debbi Harry, Melissa Etheridge, KD Lang, Nanci Griffith and others. Tori's segment came after a segment on Melissa Etheridge:

    Toyah: Melissa Etheridge. Another female artist who shook up 90s pop by the simple raw fact of being herself was Tori Amos.

    Tori: I talk a lot about violence in my work, what it brings up. I wrote a song called Me And a Gun that came out in 1991 about the rape of a woman in a car.

    (Clip of Me and A Gun is played, from 'Yes I wore a slinky red thing' to 'I must get out of this.)

    Toyah: A searing account by Tori Amos of her experience of rape at gunpoint. When it was released in 1992 as part of her debut album Little earthquakes, it struck a chord with many women. So many of her fans came up to her after shows talking about their experience of rape or abuse that Tori set up RAINN, a helpline in the USA for victims of male violence.

    Tori: You find a lot of young women at the shows that are wrestling with being victims of violence and a lot of them are not in survival mode yet. A lot of them are still stripped and they're bleeding. There are women though that have crossed to the other side and made their wound their wise wound...there are men that have been with women that have gone through this and tried to be a safe place, so that a woman can learn to be in a relationship that's sexual without it being associated with this horrible invasion.

    Toyah: Tori Amos was considered a child prodigy, winning a piano scholarship at the age of five to Baltimore's Peabody Conservatory. She veered away from serious music in her teens, playing Gershwin in gay bars and even fronting a pop-metal band, Y Kant Tori Read. But in the early 90s Tori cast off her rock-chick identity, adopted a more experimental approach and won legions of fans for her deeply personal and original albums.

    (Cornflake Girl instrumental begins playing in background)

    Toyah: Combining keyboard virtuosity with a voice like Kate Bush in overdrive, she wove in myth and fantasy with salty songs about love, lust and female experience.

    Tori: I saw myself as a musician first. The gender was not part of my definition, it was a part of other people's definition.

    (First half of Cornflake Girl plays)

    Tori: But as a player at 5 and a half at the Conservatory, I did not see myself as, "I am female and a musician", it was, "No, I'm a musician". Classical music - you've been treated as a musician, as a player, not as somebody with a third hole.

    Toyah: Now in her late 30s, Tori Amos can see how she expressed the anger and ambitions of a whole generation of women. Though she's the daughter of a Methodist minister, she's never been a submissive woman of the church. In fact it was her father who encouraged her to excel as an individual.

    Tori: I was being taught by my father, " you will not be dependent on a man, you will find the power within". This was a time when women's roles were changing. My mother have up her career, and as a little girl, this became sort of part of my paintbox...redefining what a girl was. By the time I was in my teens, the idea of getting married? to support myself? No no no no no. We could bring home the bacon. So this was really part of our was part of our pubic hair. It was like the mother's milk...the mother's milk for the girls my age was, "you do not need a man to access your power, you do not need love from a man to have love for yourself as a woman".

    Toyah: Like Sinead O' Connor, Tori's honesty and rage has been ridiculed by male journalists. Male performers such as Lou Reed, Leonard Cohen and Bob Dylan are taken seriously when they explore dark emotions, but for women this is less acceptable. By writing about subjects that are seen as 'women's issues', Tori has been called 'kooky' and 'mad', and when she recorded Playboy Mommy, about the grief of miscarriage, one newspaper headline read, 'Tori and Her Latest Trauma'.

    (First half of Playboy Mommy plays)

    Tori: You have women that have broken the idea that 'She', who is 'She', would only be the sexy chanteuse. You have the Patti Smiths, the Janis Joplins, that have challenged that and then you have women that walk that razor's edge, the Chryssie Hynds, the Debbie Harrys...all of these women seem to be able to discover what made up their soul, their uniqueness. Of course these women were guiding lights, and they were macheteing the way, trying to forge a path for others to follow.

    Toyah: Tori Amos, currently one of the world's leading singer-songwriters.

    (Leads into next section on women behind the scenes in rock music.)

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